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asked Feb 25, 2004 at 12:06pm
Epson Epson Stylus Color 600

Epson ink cartridge

i removed my colour cartridge accidently on my epson stylus 600 and when i replaced it the printer wont recognise it? are the cartridges void once they have been removed?
Nick...Just to let you know: All new Epson cartridges are sealed and there is pressure put in them at the factory. That pressure is what causes the air to be pushed out of the nozzles, that got into them when the old cartridge was removed and primes the nozzles with fresh ink. When people refill their own cartridges, they have no way to put that pressure back into the old cartridge, after refilling it. Also, if you reinstall the origional cartridge that you removed, it not only has already lost its pressure, but now there is air inside of the nozzle. That air starts to dry out any remaining ink inside of the nozzles and that normally results in clogging. Thats why Epson says to always install a New Epson Ink Cartridge, anytime you remove any ink cartridge, even if its full of ink. If the old cartridge was out of the printhead holder assembly for more than 30 minutes, the nozzle may have already started to clog. If you choose to just reinstall an old Epson Ink Cartridge, with no pressure inside it will be difficult to get the ink to start flowing again and you may have to run 6 to 10 sets of "Printhead Cleaning Cycles" and "Nozzle Tests", to actually be able to get the ink to start flowing again. The other problem is that on older models the printer always assumes you are installing a new cartridge and automatically resets the Internal Ink Counter anytime you remove a cartridge with the power turned on...TECH NOTE: Newer model Epson printers use "smart" cartridges, with electrical chips that have the ink counters built into the cartridge itself...On the older style printers, when you reinstall a previously removed [used] cartridge, the internal ink counter automatically resets and now your printer thinks the cartridge is new and of course full. What can happen is that your printer will usually run out of ink and never know it and then air will get into the nozzles, drying them out and that usually results in clogging. If a cartridge was out of the printhead holder assembly for more than 30 minutes, the nozzle may have already started to clog up...If you clean your printhead assemblies with a "printhead cleaning kit", install new Epson Ink Cartridges and still the printheads don't seem to work or print, then its probably time to purchase a new printer. You have normally done as much as you can usually do and the cost of new printheads are so expensive, that its normally not economical to have your old printer repaired...Good Luck! Denny Conway
by Denny Conway on Feb 25, 2004 at 12:20pm Add comment
Thank your very much, an very concise speedy response
by unknown on Feb 25, 2004 at 12:47pm Add comment
Nick...FOLLOW-UP TO FIRST REPLY: What did you actually mean, when you said "when i replaced it the printer wont recognise it"? If you were saying that the printer would simply not print in color any longer, then the info that I previously gave you applies. If there are actually any SOLID or FLASHING Lights/Led's on your printer, then you will have to let me know which lights are flashing and which lights are on solid, because its possible that you may have an actual Service Error Condition...AT THIS POINT: If you completely removed the ink cartridge with the power turned on and then simply reinstalled it, it probably reset the Internal Ink Counter and your printer now thinks that you installed a new ink cartridge and reset the ink levels to full. If you did not completely remove the ink cartrudge, but simply unlatched it, it may not have reset the conter or ink levels. Simply open up the Stylus Monitor in your computer and check the ink levels. If the levels show full and it was an older cartridge, then you can assume that the conter and ink levels were actually reset already. In that case you need to correctly install a new ink cartridge or risk having more problems and probable printhead clogging later. I will send you an e-mail on how to trick the printer so it now thinks it needs the ink cartridge replaced. Then you can install a new ink cartridge correctly, which will cause the printer to go thru new cartridge initialization and correctly reset the internal counter and ink levels...Denny Conway
by Denny Conway on Feb 25, 2004 at 1:09pm Add comment
i meant it wont print in colour, i think i will have to buy a new cartridge!
by nick on Feb 25, 2004 at 2:28pm Add comment
Denny,

Similar question re: a C82.

I replaced my cartridges with fresh Epson ones. As I couldn't get any print after several cleaning cycles, I temporarily removed them to attempt some cleaning with warm distilled water (I know Durabrite is not water-soluble but I tried, following some instructions found on this site). Still no luck.

Are you saying that my fresh cartridges are now junk... and the printer as well???

If so, this is the very last Epson printer I ever buy.

Thanks,

Phil
by unknown on Feb 25, 2004 at 6:12pm Add comment
Phil: Its a different type of ink cartridge used in the newer models of Epson Printers and the cartridge is not affected by removal in the same way as the older models and ink cartridges...Your problem may be something completely different. JUST TO LET YOU KNOW: If you were to do a search on this Printer Repair Site, under the Epson C80 or C82 series Printers, you would see that you are not alone in your problem. I've read several posted messages on this Printer Repair Site on just that particular problem. It seems to be especially bad when you are using Non Epson Inks, but can happen even when using New Epson Ink Cartridges. I recommend that you do a general search on the "fixyourownprinter.com" printer repair site, under your C80 or C82 printer and then you can read about other peoples experiences, their advise and even what they have tried, sometimes successfully. It seems like the problems are not actually related to clogging, but usually more of a Hardware Failure [parts problem], but no way for me to really know. It seems to happen most of the time, just by simply repacing the ink cartridges, as normal...If you want to, you can actually try a Printhead Cleaning Kit, available through the home page on "fixyourownprinter.com" for around $10.00 plus shipping. The kit states that it is not designed for the C80 printers, or for that matter even the newer "C-Series" printers, but the fluid and syringe can still be used in the same way. The main difference is the instructions for the Felt Pad/Cap Assembly. The C80/C82 series and newer C-Series printers, use a different style cap assembly that does not use a felt pad, so you have to ignore that portion of the instructions. The Epson fluids, that comes in the kit, is still the best thing to try, especially if you have a possible clog. You can try the kit if you want to and see if it helps to get the printhead nozzles to open up again...Wes has supplied a link that might also help: "If you want to see what's involved in print head cleaning try this link. http://www.epsonhelp.web1000.com/printhead.html "...Good Luck! Denny Conway...P.S. Your printer is covered by a one year warranty, so check your origional invoice or sales receipt for the purchase date. If its been under a year since you've purchased it, let me know by posting a reply on this Printer Repair Site and I'll give you some additional information.
by Denny Conway on Feb 26, 2004 at 9:33am Add comment